1 00:00:08,925 --> 00:00:10,802 {\an8}By the early '90s, 2 00:00:10,802 --> 00:00:13,638 {\an8}Harrison Ford had traveled a long way from Indy to Jack. 3 00:00:13,763 --> 00:00:15,140 Get down! 4 00:00:15,140 --> 00:00:17,809 Harrison's combination of action star 5 00:00:19,186 --> 00:00:21,062 and thinking man's action star. 6 00:00:21,688 --> 00:00:22,773 Same day. 7 00:00:22,773 --> 00:00:24,816 Made him a perfect Jack Ryan. 8 00:00:24,983 --> 00:00:26,610 Hello. 9 00:00:26,610 --> 00:00:28,570 {\an8}Patriot Games proved the life 10 00:00:28,570 --> 00:00:31,448 {\an8}of a mature action hero was complicated. 11 00:00:31,448 --> 00:00:34,493 The only person that disagreed with me was Harrison Ford. 12 00:00:34,618 --> 00:00:36,411 Harrison is the boss. 13 00:00:36,411 --> 00:00:37,954 I hate this job. 14 00:00:37,954 --> 00:00:39,623 Finally in control of his career 15 00:00:39,623 --> 00:00:41,708 and his films, his next project. 16 00:00:41,833 --> 00:00:43,752 I am the fugitive, yes. 17 00:00:43,752 --> 00:00:46,546 Probably the worst pitch I've ever done in my entire life. 18 00:00:46,546 --> 00:00:48,715 Would find him chasing solutions 19 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:50,717 to problems he just couldn't escape. 20 00:00:51,510 --> 00:00:53,887 I read the script and it didn't make a lot of sense to me. 21 00:00:54,012 --> 00:00:55,972 This character was running away. 22 00:00:55,972 --> 00:00:59,100 Your fugitive's name is Dr. Richard Kimmel. 23 00:00:59,100 --> 00:01:01,853 But what was Harrison Ford running towards? 24 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:03,939 Well, you want the truth, or you want me to bullshit you? 25 00:01:03,939 --> 00:01:05,941 There's no way out of here, Richard. 26 00:01:06,066 --> 00:01:09,194 I said to Harrison, "Where the fuck am I?" 27 00:01:09,194 --> 00:01:10,821 You never give up. 28 00:01:11,196 --> 00:01:13,657 On a film where coming off the rails... 29 00:01:14,282 --> 00:01:16,618 First cinematographer had to be fired. 30 00:01:16,743 --> 00:01:18,495 ...was both a feature... 31 00:01:18,495 --> 00:01:21,706 - They had one shot at it. - ...and a bug. 32 00:01:21,832 --> 00:01:24,459 We spent most of the night trying to dig out the cameras. 33 00:01:24,626 --> 00:01:25,877 You find this man. 34 00:01:26,002 --> 00:01:27,546 And exactly how much running 35 00:01:27,671 --> 00:01:30,465 did the now middle-aged star have left? 36 00:01:30,465 --> 00:01:32,759 He twisted his knee and he was in pain. 37 00:01:32,884 --> 00:01:34,136 I mean, if you look at it, you can see him limping. 38 00:01:34,469 --> 00:01:36,471 As a film, 39 00:01:36,471 --> 00:01:38,139 perpetually searching for its own ending-- 40 00:01:38,765 --> 00:01:40,225 Everyone knew we were looking 41 00:01:40,350 --> 00:01:41,768 for that third act while we were shooting. 42 00:01:41,893 --> 00:01:43,645 - What do you got? - I got nothing. 43 00:01:44,104 --> 00:01:45,772 Warner Bros. sent an executive out 44 00:01:45,772 --> 00:01:48,567 to fire me if I did not put a love interest in. 45 00:01:48,733 --> 00:01:50,735 What are your other hobbies? Brain surgery? 46 00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:53,238 Threatened to serve up a Hollywood ending 47 00:01:53,238 --> 00:01:54,948 of a different kind for its star. 48 00:01:55,073 --> 00:01:56,783 Tommy was like 49 00:01:56,908 --> 00:01:58,660 "Ain't nobody gonna win an Academy Award on this one." 50 00:01:59,995 --> 00:02:01,913 "The Fugitive" doesn't work. 51 00:02:02,038 --> 00:02:04,207 This is such a shit show, we're never gonna work again. 52 00:02:04,207 --> 00:02:06,710 - This is a career killer. - Oh Jesus. 53 00:02:39,993 --> 00:02:42,078 What if we told you that Harrison Ford's career 54 00:02:42,078 --> 00:02:43,872 owes a lot to the French? 55 00:02:45,248 --> 00:02:47,793 The French Revolution, at least. 56 00:02:48,376 --> 00:02:50,754 Actually, not as much the revolution, 57 00:02:50,754 --> 00:02:53,131 as a very famous book about it. 58 00:02:53,256 --> 00:02:56,259 {\an8}It was based on the Victor Hugo novel 59 00:02:56,259 --> 00:02:58,136 {\an8}about the French Revolution. 60 00:02:58,136 --> 00:03:01,139 It's all to do with the 1960s TV show 61 00:03:01,264 --> 00:03:03,808 that copied Les Miserables' storyline 62 00:03:03,934 --> 00:03:06,645 about a wrongly accused man on the run. 63 00:03:06,770 --> 00:03:09,731 And Dr. Kimble must be found. 64 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:11,149 It was a primetime drama 65 00:03:11,149 --> 00:03:13,318 that needed only four seasons... 66 00:03:13,318 --> 00:03:14,986 You like it? 67 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:16,655 I haven't seen much. 68 00:03:16,655 --> 00:03:18,698 {\an8}...to capture an entire generation. 69 00:03:19,157 --> 00:03:21,868 {\an8}Had I ever watched "The Fugitive" 70 00:03:21,993 --> 00:03:24,204 with David Janssen? Are you kidding me? 71 00:03:24,329 --> 00:03:26,164 Oh, so that big a fan? 72 00:03:26,289 --> 00:03:27,999 Yep. 73 00:03:27,999 --> 00:03:29,668 "The Fugitive" would be Harrison Ford's 74 00:03:29,793 --> 00:03:32,671 next big move in 1993. 75 00:03:32,796 --> 00:03:34,714 But the story of that film really begins 76 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,591 around 30 years earlier. 77 00:03:36,967 --> 00:03:40,095 I was obsessed with that show. 78 00:03:40,095 --> 00:03:42,681 Every week there was a cliffhanger. 79 00:03:42,806 --> 00:03:43,807 He's innocent. 80 00:03:43,974 --> 00:03:45,100 The law says guilty. 81 00:03:45,934 --> 00:03:47,185 He almost got caught. 82 00:03:48,436 --> 00:03:50,772 Week in and week out. 83 00:03:50,772 --> 00:03:53,191 He almost caught the one-armed man. 84 00:03:55,735 --> 00:03:57,154 Almost. 85 00:03:57,154 --> 00:03:58,738 Knowing the one-armed man 86 00:03:58,864 --> 00:04:00,157 would help prove Dr. Kimble's innocence, 87 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:03,743 78 million tuned into the series finale, 88 00:04:03,869 --> 00:04:05,745 hoping for a happy ending. 89 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:08,206 I think the number of viewers 90 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:11,001 {\an8}for that last episode was astronomical. 91 00:04:11,001 --> 00:04:13,378 {\an8}It had never been anything like that before. 92 00:04:13,503 --> 00:04:15,255 It was just a matter of time 93 00:04:15,380 --> 00:04:18,091 before someone thought this beloved TV show 94 00:04:18,091 --> 00:04:20,010 could become a beloved movie. 95 00:04:20,135 --> 00:04:23,722 We felt that we could create that tension as a feature. 96 00:04:24,264 --> 00:04:26,057 Anne Kopelson was one half 97 00:04:26,057 --> 00:04:28,059 of a Hollywood power couple. 98 00:04:28,185 --> 00:04:31,229 Her entertainment lawyer husband Arnold saw potential 99 00:04:31,229 --> 00:04:33,356 for "The Fugitive" on the big screen. 100 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:35,442 He really wanted to do this movie. 101 00:04:35,567 --> 00:04:37,277 It was a big dream of his. 102 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:39,237 But first, he needed the rights. 103 00:04:39,362 --> 00:04:43,116 {\an8}Arnold soon found out who owned those when he met this man. 104 00:04:43,241 --> 00:04:44,826 {\an8}Well, I remembered the TV series 105 00:04:44,826 --> 00:04:49,206 with David Janssen. It was a cult classic. 106 00:04:49,206 --> 00:04:51,208 Keith Barish knew the series, 107 00:04:51,208 --> 00:04:53,919 but more importantly, he knew the people in it. 108 00:04:54,044 --> 00:04:56,254 I knew Dani Janssen, his widow. 109 00:04:56,254 --> 00:04:59,382 She used to give great Academy Award parties 110 00:04:59,382 --> 00:05:02,093 where most stars showed up 111 00:05:02,093 --> 00:05:04,262 and we brought the rights to "The Fugitive." 112 00:05:04,262 --> 00:05:08,308 Now, Roy Huggins was attached 'cause he owned the rights. 113 00:05:09,476 --> 00:05:12,938 And Keith's company, Taft Barish, already had plans 114 00:05:12,938 --> 00:05:15,065 to make "The Fugitive" into a movie. 115 00:05:15,190 --> 00:05:18,443 David Twohy had done one draft. 116 00:05:18,443 --> 00:05:21,029 {\an8}There was enough there to see it would be a movie. 117 00:05:21,363 --> 00:05:23,115 I knew one day I'd make it. 118 00:05:23,281 --> 00:05:24,825 But Keith's business partners 119 00:05:24,825 --> 00:05:26,409 didn't want to make "The Fugitive." 120 00:05:26,409 --> 00:05:28,411 They didn't want to make anything anymore. 121 00:05:28,537 --> 00:05:32,415 Taft decided that they didn't wanna make any more movies. 122 00:05:32,582 --> 00:05:35,001 Not a chance! Now hands off. 123 00:05:35,127 --> 00:05:36,336 Keith was offered the rights 124 00:05:36,336 --> 00:05:38,338 to one of their two final pictures. 125 00:05:38,463 --> 00:05:41,299 And they had "The Fugitive," "The Flintstones." 126 00:05:41,424 --> 00:05:43,677 Yabba-dabba-doo! 127 00:05:43,802 --> 00:05:45,762 I chose "The Fugitive." 128 00:05:45,762 --> 00:05:47,430 When Arnold approached Keith 129 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:49,307 about "The Fugitive," he was telling Keith 130 00:05:49,432 --> 00:05:51,810 exactly what any producer wants to hear. 131 00:05:51,810 --> 00:05:53,395 Arnold came to me and said, 132 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:56,314 "I can get the financing for the movies." 133 00:05:56,314 --> 00:05:57,941 I said, "I've heard that before." 134 00:05:57,941 --> 00:06:00,819 He said, "No, no, no, I guarantee." 135 00:06:00,819 --> 00:06:02,279 {\an8}So it wasn't just that he knew the law 136 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:03,822 {\an8}and he knew all the players 137 00:06:03,947 --> 00:06:05,323 {\an8}'cause he was an entertainment attorney, 138 00:06:05,323 --> 00:06:08,160 but he was also a charming, persuasive guy. 139 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:09,786 Now Arnold just needed 140 00:06:09,786 --> 00:06:11,496 to charm the right studio. 141 00:06:11,496 --> 00:06:14,541 Warner Bros. was the one that really stepped up. 142 00:06:14,666 --> 00:06:16,835 Warner Bros. was a yes. 143 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,963 {\an8}Now Arnold needed a writer to get the script off the ground. 144 00:06:20,380 --> 00:06:23,175 We were working on a film called "Warlock," 145 00:06:23,175 --> 00:06:25,802 which had David Twohy as the writer. 146 00:06:25,802 --> 00:06:28,805 This is the terrifying adventure 147 00:06:28,805 --> 00:06:32,392 that could set the world on fire. 148 00:06:32,392 --> 00:06:34,519 David Twohy's draft of "The Fugitive" 149 00:06:34,644 --> 00:06:36,897 wasn't destined to set the world on fire, 150 00:06:36,897 --> 00:06:39,357 so much as to get him fired. 151 00:06:39,357 --> 00:06:42,068 But he managed to leave his mark on the script. 152 00:06:42,527 --> 00:06:45,864 {\an8}He did write the action beats, the jumping, 153 00:06:45,864 --> 00:06:48,450 {\an8}the dam or the car, the train crash. 154 00:06:48,450 --> 00:06:52,037 He did have in place some of those action elements, 155 00:06:52,579 --> 00:06:54,289 But before "The Fugitive" 156 00:06:54,289 --> 00:06:56,583 could have a new beginning, it needed a new ending. 157 00:06:56,917 --> 00:06:58,168 I don't think it was an issue 158 00:06:58,168 --> 00:07:00,003 that the writers didn't get it. 159 00:07:00,003 --> 00:07:01,421 They had their own version 160 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:02,881 of what they thought the ending should be. 161 00:07:03,131 --> 00:07:04,549 Working out exactly 162 00:07:04,549 --> 00:07:07,260 {\an8}how the story would end was newly-hired writer 163 00:07:07,385 --> 00:07:09,054 {\an8}Jeb Stuart's first job. 164 00:07:09,054 --> 00:07:10,972 Not his first job as a scriptwriter. 165 00:07:11,223 --> 00:07:13,892 That was a little Christmas movie called "Die Hard." 166 00:07:14,184 --> 00:07:15,227 Happy trails, Hans. 167 00:07:17,229 --> 00:07:20,398 Some of the best action screenwriters of the early '90s 168 00:07:20,398 --> 00:07:23,443 and the '80s had taken a swing at this. 169 00:07:23,985 --> 00:07:26,238 And by the way, there was no star attached. 170 00:07:26,446 --> 00:07:29,241 Which is where Harrison Ford enters our story. 171 00:07:29,366 --> 00:07:31,284 Or he would if Warner 172 00:07:31,409 --> 00:07:34,037 could lure him into taking on another franchise. 173 00:07:34,162 --> 00:07:36,623 There was a pretty good idea that he might be up 174 00:07:36,748 --> 00:07:40,127 for multiple movies based on "The Fugitive." 175 00:07:40,627 --> 00:07:42,879 But Jeb was thinking one and done. 176 00:07:42,879 --> 00:07:47,300 I made it clear at the time that I didn't want it to be, 177 00:07:48,093 --> 00:07:51,012 you know, Fugitive One, Fugitive Two, Fugitive Three. 178 00:07:51,137 --> 00:07:53,265 I felt like it ought to be a standalone. 179 00:07:53,390 --> 00:07:55,183 Also up for debate, 180 00:07:55,183 --> 00:07:57,144 exactly who should be the bad guy. 181 00:07:57,269 --> 00:08:00,105 They felt like that the Gerard character 182 00:08:00,105 --> 00:08:02,107 should be the bad guy. 183 00:08:02,107 --> 00:08:03,608 I can't permit it. 184 00:08:03,608 --> 00:08:05,485 Gerard was the police Lieutenant 185 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:09,406 convinced Dr. Kimble was guilty of murdering his wife. 186 00:08:09,406 --> 00:08:13,243 I kind of pushed back that there was a different bad guy. 187 00:08:13,243 --> 00:08:15,579 It wasn't the one-armed man, it's not Gerard. 188 00:08:15,579 --> 00:08:17,414 Did you kill Helen Kimble? 189 00:08:17,414 --> 00:08:19,458 Part of my whole thing too is that I'm looking 190 00:08:19,458 --> 00:08:22,502 for different kind of investigative engines. 191 00:08:22,627 --> 00:08:24,379 I didn't want the Gerard character 192 00:08:24,379 --> 00:08:26,965 to be the only one who is trying to solve a mystery. 193 00:08:27,090 --> 00:08:29,634 While Jeb was contemplating his bad guy, 194 00:08:29,634 --> 00:08:33,346 Warner Bros. was searching for the right good guy. 195 00:08:33,346 --> 00:08:34,473 The studio ultimately would make that decision 196 00:08:34,598 --> 00:08:36,266 because they needed 197 00:08:36,266 --> 00:08:38,143 to have somebody who could sell the movie. 198 00:08:38,143 --> 00:08:40,187 If not Harrison, then surely the man 199 00:08:40,312 --> 00:08:41,605 who was trying desperately 200 00:08:41,605 --> 00:08:44,232 to have the same career, Alec Baldwin. 201 00:08:44,232 --> 00:08:47,402 The studio did not like that choice. 202 00:08:47,402 --> 00:08:50,113 Alec had got a bite for the Jack Ryan cherry 203 00:08:50,113 --> 00:08:51,490 in "The Hunt for Red October." 204 00:08:51,615 --> 00:08:53,325 How did you know that? 205 00:08:53,325 --> 00:08:55,327 Before Harrison took the Clancy cake. 206 00:08:55,327 --> 00:08:56,953 You don't miss much, do you? 207 00:08:56,953 --> 00:08:58,872 Unfortunately for Alec, 208 00:08:58,997 --> 00:09:00,707 {\an8}Harrison already had a head start 209 00:09:00,832 --> 00:09:03,335 {\an8}and had just played a man wrongly accused. 210 00:09:03,460 --> 00:09:04,878 You think I killed her? 211 00:09:05,003 --> 00:09:07,214 Well, Harrison and his manager 212 00:09:07,339 --> 00:09:09,382 was a woman by the name of Pat McQueeney 213 00:09:09,382 --> 00:09:12,385 and she was a longtime manager of Harrison's. 214 00:09:12,511 --> 00:09:14,930 And we established a relationship with her 215 00:09:15,055 --> 00:09:18,225 in hopes that she could convince Harrison to do it. 216 00:09:18,350 --> 00:09:20,685 While Jeb was still thinking about his bad guy, 217 00:09:20,810 --> 00:09:23,230 it unexpectedly became his job 218 00:09:23,355 --> 00:09:26,233 to land the good guy when he received a summons. 219 00:09:26,233 --> 00:09:28,568 So I got on a plane in New York and I flew out, 220 00:09:28,568 --> 00:09:32,239 and when I landed in LA I was told, "We're flying out 221 00:09:32,364 --> 00:09:35,575 to Jackson Hole on the Warner's jet 222 00:09:35,575 --> 00:09:37,619 and you're gonna pitch Harrison your story." 223 00:09:37,619 --> 00:09:41,248 A golden opportunity. Except for one thing. 224 00:09:41,373 --> 00:09:42,958 I didn't have a story. 225 00:09:42,958 --> 00:09:45,252 I mean, I had some loose thoughts in my head, 226 00:09:45,252 --> 00:09:48,421 but we were at the beginning of the process. 227 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:50,215 By the time the Warner Bros.' jet 228 00:09:50,340 --> 00:09:52,717 landed in Jackson Hole in Wyoming... 229 00:09:52,717 --> 00:09:54,511 Depending upon my pitch, 230 00:09:54,511 --> 00:09:57,055 he may or may not do "The Fugitive." 231 00:09:57,055 --> 00:09:58,431 ...Jeb had conjured up something 232 00:09:58,557 --> 00:10:00,308 to throw at Harrison Ford. 233 00:10:00,308 --> 00:10:02,227 We sat down in his living room. 234 00:10:02,227 --> 00:10:04,146 But would it stick? 235 00:10:04,146 --> 00:10:06,982 I proceeded to tell him the story of "The Fugitive," 236 00:10:06,982 --> 00:10:09,526 which was probably the worst pitch 237 00:10:09,526 --> 00:10:12,028 I've ever done in my entire life. 238 00:10:12,028 --> 00:10:15,282 The missing link was if Gerard's not the bad guy 239 00:10:15,407 --> 00:10:17,534 and the one-armed man is just the killer, 240 00:10:19,536 --> 00:10:21,288 Who is the bad guy? 241 00:10:21,413 --> 00:10:23,290 There's no point in asking you again, is there? 242 00:10:23,290 --> 00:10:25,125 No, I'm afraid not. 243 00:10:25,125 --> 00:10:26,585 And about this time, about 20 minutes 244 00:10:26,710 --> 00:10:29,129 or 30 minutes, it may have been an hour. 245 00:10:29,254 --> 00:10:30,797 It felt like five days 246 00:10:30,922 --> 00:10:33,175 that I'm in this very uncomfortable pitch. 247 00:10:33,175 --> 00:10:36,136 I'm realizing that his eyes are rolling back in his head. 248 00:10:36,469 --> 00:10:38,638 And I know that behind me, all the producers 249 00:10:38,763 --> 00:10:40,724 and studio executives are going like this. 250 00:10:40,724 --> 00:10:42,225 It's not over yet. 251 00:10:46,354 --> 00:10:48,273 Writer Jeb Stuart was in the midst 252 00:10:48,398 --> 00:10:50,317 of the worst pitch of his life. 253 00:10:50,317 --> 00:10:52,486 {\an8}But it was very, very convoluted. 254 00:10:52,944 --> 00:10:56,072 He needed someone to throw him a lifeline. 255 00:10:56,072 --> 00:10:57,657 Harrison outta the blue said, 256 00:10:57,657 --> 00:10:59,242 "I hear you're a tennis player." 257 00:10:59,409 --> 00:11:01,536 I was, before I became a screenwriter, 258 00:11:01,536 --> 00:11:03,371 I'd been a tennis pro and taught tennis 259 00:11:03,830 --> 00:11:05,123 and was pretty good. 260 00:11:05,624 --> 00:11:07,083 He was a big tennis player 261 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,336 and had a court out at his ranch 262 00:11:09,336 --> 00:11:11,713 and he said, "Let's play a match." 263 00:11:11,838 --> 00:11:13,340 It was the perfect opportunity 264 00:11:13,465 --> 00:11:15,091 to break the tension. 265 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:17,511 But that wouldn't be the only thing to break. 266 00:11:17,511 --> 00:11:19,429 In the process of the play, 267 00:11:19,554 --> 00:11:22,432 Harrison's racket hit the bridge of his nose. 268 00:11:22,432 --> 00:11:25,101 It did some damage, let's say, a lot of blood. 269 00:11:25,227 --> 00:11:26,645 Harrison hadn't even signed up 270 00:11:26,645 --> 00:11:28,313 for "The Fugitive" 271 00:11:28,438 --> 00:11:30,023 and already he was bleeding for his art. 272 00:11:30,023 --> 00:11:31,399 T-shirt's covered in blood. 273 00:11:31,399 --> 00:11:33,693 His nose is all you know, messed up. 274 00:11:33,693 --> 00:11:35,487 It looked to executives 275 00:11:35,612 --> 00:11:37,697 like Jeb's pitch had gone violently wrong 276 00:11:37,697 --> 00:11:41,159 and Harrison wasn't going to let his blood go to waste. 277 00:11:41,159 --> 00:11:43,203 He says to me, kind of devilishly, 278 00:11:43,328 --> 00:11:45,705 "Let's not talk about any of this. 279 00:11:45,831 --> 00:11:48,375 Let's just go back in and pitch the show." 280 00:11:48,375 --> 00:11:50,669 And he sits down and he listens to the rest of the pitch. 281 00:11:50,794 --> 00:11:54,047 And nobody says a word about the injury. 282 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:55,757 In need of a doctor himself, 283 00:11:55,882 --> 00:11:59,052 Harrison Ford announced his intention to become one. 284 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,264 Love it, I'm in. 285 00:12:02,389 --> 00:12:04,516 And everybody was like, what happened? 286 00:12:04,724 --> 00:12:06,560 You know, oh my God. 287 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,228 Well they were looking at me, what happened? 288 00:12:08,228 --> 00:12:09,563 Only Harrison Ford knows 289 00:12:09,688 --> 00:12:11,606 what changed on that tennis court. 290 00:12:11,606 --> 00:12:15,152 The good news for everybody is that even without a script 291 00:12:15,152 --> 00:12:19,489 or a fully formed idea, he saw Dr. Richard Kimble 292 00:12:19,614 --> 00:12:22,784 and it was the start of a really good collaboration. 293 00:12:22,784 --> 00:12:25,245 Maybe the bleeding was an omen 294 00:12:25,370 --> 00:12:27,747 because Harrison Ford had just signed onto a film 295 00:12:27,747 --> 00:12:30,083 destined to test his limits. 296 00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:31,543 Warner slated "The Fugitive" 297 00:12:31,668 --> 00:12:34,087 for release in less than a year. 298 00:12:34,212 --> 00:12:36,464 {\an8}And the film still didn't have a finished script 299 00:12:36,590 --> 00:12:38,175 or someone to direct it. 300 00:12:38,175 --> 00:12:39,718 {\an8}And that particular time, 301 00:12:39,843 --> 00:12:43,555 {\an8}we were invited to see the movie "Under Siege." 302 00:12:45,557 --> 00:12:47,225 And what is this, huh? 303 00:12:47,225 --> 00:12:49,102 You're in the Navy, man, you gotta look good, huh? 304 00:12:49,227 --> 00:12:52,355 And after we saw the movie Arnold, he said, 305 00:12:52,355 --> 00:12:54,858 "I think we found our director for 'The Fugitive.'" 306 00:12:54,858 --> 00:12:56,610 Home Run. 307 00:12:56,735 --> 00:13:01,531 {\an8}I just finished "Under Siege," there was a wrap party 308 00:13:01,656 --> 00:13:03,617 and Arnold Kopelson came up to me and said, 309 00:13:03,742 --> 00:13:05,160 "I know your next film." 310 00:13:05,619 --> 00:13:07,621 Before Andrew could even say yes-- 311 00:13:07,746 --> 00:13:09,873 Sunday night I got a call from an executive, 312 00:13:09,873 --> 00:13:12,709 the head of production, Bruce Berman at Warner Bros. 313 00:13:12,709 --> 00:13:15,504 congratulating me. And I said, "What for?" 314 00:13:15,504 --> 00:13:17,798 And he said, "Well, Harrison saw 'Under Siege' over the weekend 315 00:13:17,798 --> 00:13:19,674 and he would like to have you direct 'The Fugitive.'" 316 00:13:19,674 --> 00:13:21,801 So they sent a script. 317 00:13:21,801 --> 00:13:23,386 That would be the script 318 00:13:23,386 --> 00:13:25,555 that Jeb hadn't really worked out yet. 319 00:13:25,555 --> 00:13:28,141 I read the script and it didn't make a lot of sense to me. 320 00:13:28,266 --> 00:13:30,477 But one thing that did make sense to Andrew 321 00:13:30,602 --> 00:13:32,854 was the idea of working with Harrison Ford. 322 00:13:32,979 --> 00:13:34,773 I said, "I better figure out what to do, 323 00:13:34,773 --> 00:13:36,691 'cause I wanted to certainly do a movie 324 00:13:36,691 --> 00:13:38,652 with Harrison Ford called 'The Fugitive.'" 325 00:13:38,652 --> 00:13:41,613 So I went to this meeting and we talked and you know, 326 00:13:41,613 --> 00:13:44,407 and I said, you know, I got some problems with the script, 327 00:13:44,407 --> 00:13:47,160 but it was, you know, we're gonna continue 328 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:48,703 to work and make this better. 329 00:13:48,703 --> 00:13:50,247 We'll figure out who's gonna play Gerard. 330 00:13:50,705 --> 00:13:53,208 Andrew already had an idea for that. 331 00:13:53,333 --> 00:13:54,543 I basically had Tommy. 332 00:13:54,668 --> 00:13:56,253 Yes, of course, hence the name. 333 00:13:56,253 --> 00:13:57,671 Tommy Lee was in "Under Siege." 334 00:13:57,671 --> 00:13:59,256 They were friends. 335 00:13:59,256 --> 00:14:01,132 And Roadrunner, out. Beep beep! 336 00:14:01,258 --> 00:14:03,343 For the man to play Tommy Lee's deputy, 337 00:14:03,343 --> 00:14:06,471 Andrew's mind turned to one of his first films. 338 00:14:06,471 --> 00:14:07,848 The first movie I was ever hired 339 00:14:07,848 --> 00:14:09,641 to direct was a horror movie. 340 00:14:09,766 --> 00:14:11,184 I don't know what the title is. "The Final Terror" 341 00:14:11,309 --> 00:14:12,853 or something like that. 342 00:14:12,978 --> 00:14:15,438 Joey Pants played the monster and the bad bus driver. 343 00:14:15,438 --> 00:14:17,482 And we became dear friends from that. 344 00:14:17,607 --> 00:14:18,775 Wake up, pigs. 345 00:14:19,109 --> 00:14:21,653 {\an8}Joey Pants, aka-- 346 00:14:21,778 --> 00:14:25,574 {\an8}Joseph Peter Pantoliano, Joe Pantoliano, 347 00:14:25,699 --> 00:14:26,867 {\an8}Joey Pants. 348 00:14:26,992 --> 00:14:28,493 And of course-- 349 00:14:28,618 --> 00:14:31,705 I played Cosmo Renfro in "The Fugitive." 350 00:14:31,830 --> 00:14:33,540 When I die, I wanna come back just like you. 351 00:14:33,665 --> 00:14:34,958 Oh, you mean happy and handsome? 352 00:14:35,625 --> 00:14:39,212 And Andy Davis called me up one evening, 353 00:14:39,337 --> 00:14:41,464 he explained that there was gonna be a team 354 00:14:41,464 --> 00:14:43,967 of Marshalls surrounding Tommy Lee Jones. 355 00:14:43,967 --> 00:14:47,596 He said that he needed somebody like a comic relief, 356 00:14:47,596 --> 00:14:52,225 somebody that could stand up, not be intimidated. 357 00:14:52,350 --> 00:14:54,478 Yes, all right, Sammy, we got him. 358 00:14:54,478 --> 00:14:55,645 But Joe's involvement 359 00:14:55,645 --> 00:14:57,522 depended on another blessing. 360 00:14:57,647 --> 00:14:59,483 You know, and Tommy had approval. 361 00:14:59,483 --> 00:15:01,026 And winning Tommy's approval 362 00:15:01,026 --> 00:15:03,528 depended on whether Joe liked the script. 363 00:15:03,528 --> 00:15:04,738 Time for a drink. 364 00:15:04,738 --> 00:15:06,740 So we opened a beer 365 00:15:06,865 --> 00:15:09,701 and he said, "So what do you think of the script?" 366 00:15:10,202 --> 00:15:12,579 I decided to charm him and I said, 367 00:15:12,579 --> 00:15:15,540 "Well, you want the truth or you want me to bullshit you?" 368 00:15:15,665 --> 00:15:16,833 And he laughed. 369 00:15:16,958 --> 00:15:18,335 He said, "Well, you might as well, 370 00:15:18,460 --> 00:15:20,337 you know, hit me with the truth." 371 00:15:20,337 --> 00:15:23,423 And I said, "Yeah, well, these cardboard characters, 372 00:15:23,548 --> 00:15:25,509 they don't even have last names." 373 00:15:25,509 --> 00:15:27,385 None of that put Tommy off 374 00:15:27,385 --> 00:15:30,013 because he agreed, and there was work to be done. 375 00:15:30,013 --> 00:15:32,599 And he started strategizing with me. 376 00:15:33,475 --> 00:15:35,018 Which meant I had the job. 377 00:15:35,435 --> 00:15:38,688 My, my, my, my, my, what a mess. 378 00:15:38,688 --> 00:15:40,565 It's a circus. 379 00:15:40,690 --> 00:15:42,859 To play opposite Harrison Ford-- 380 00:15:42,859 --> 00:15:45,570 Thank you, I was just down to my last joke. 381 00:15:45,695 --> 00:15:47,864 Actress Sela Ward was personally approved 382 00:15:47,864 --> 00:15:49,950 by Harrison to be Helen Kimble. 383 00:15:50,075 --> 00:15:54,538 Sela, she's a lovely woman, and she was in 110%. 384 00:15:54,538 --> 00:15:56,331 Whatever needed to be done, she was there to do it. 385 00:15:56,331 --> 00:15:57,958 Thanks, honey. 386 00:15:58,208 --> 00:16:00,794 L. Scott Caldwell 387 00:16:00,794 --> 00:16:02,671 had to come from nowhere to win her role. 388 00:16:02,671 --> 00:16:06,550 The word came back to me that the studio head said, 389 00:16:06,550 --> 00:16:09,719 {\an8}"No, not too sure about her." 390 00:16:09,719 --> 00:16:13,431 {\an8}Because there wasn't anything on my reel that suggested 391 00:16:13,431 --> 00:16:16,643 that I could do this kind of movie. 392 00:16:16,643 --> 00:16:21,356 So we put together this little funky video and sent it in 393 00:16:21,356 --> 00:16:24,359 and they liked the fact that I did that. 394 00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:25,986 And I got the role. 395 00:16:25,986 --> 00:16:28,697 Care to revise your statement, sir? 396 00:16:28,697 --> 00:16:31,491 In the role of Kimble's friend, 397 00:16:31,616 --> 00:16:34,536 or rather frenemy, veteran TV actor Richard Jordan. 398 00:16:34,661 --> 00:16:37,831 I'm your friend, I understand. We all go crazy once in a while. 399 00:16:37,956 --> 00:16:41,418 Think we wanted someone who was a kind of a waspy doctor, 400 00:16:41,543 --> 00:16:44,087 who could be a real good friend of Harrison's. 401 00:16:44,087 --> 00:16:46,047 Julian Moore also joined 402 00:16:46,047 --> 00:16:48,592 in the role of Kimble's new love interest. 403 00:16:48,592 --> 00:16:51,136 You know, she'd just done an Altman movie. 404 00:16:51,136 --> 00:16:52,971 What are you talking about? 405 00:16:53,096 --> 00:16:55,432 All these pedigree actors came on board, 406 00:16:55,432 --> 00:16:57,476 not because of the script, but despite it. 407 00:16:57,601 --> 00:17:01,855 The script was in really bad shape. 408 00:17:01,855 --> 00:17:04,691 It demanded a first-page rewrite. 409 00:17:04,816 --> 00:17:07,402 There were a lot of script changes 410 00:17:07,402 --> 00:17:09,821 as we, you know, went along. 411 00:17:09,821 --> 00:17:11,448 But Andy knew 412 00:17:11,448 --> 00:17:13,033 he had the actors to deal with that. 413 00:17:13,158 --> 00:17:16,077 And he wasn't afraid to let his stars take flight. 414 00:17:16,077 --> 00:17:17,913 Knew Tommy was the guy. 415 00:17:17,913 --> 00:17:20,415 We had done a lot of improvisation in "Under Siege." 416 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:23,168 Do I look like I need a psychological evaluation? 417 00:17:24,044 --> 00:17:25,629 - Not at all. - And he wrote 418 00:17:25,629 --> 00:17:27,589 some amazing material that's in that movie. 419 00:17:27,589 --> 00:17:30,550 And so I knew that between Joey Pants... 420 00:17:30,675 --> 00:17:31,885 Can you all hear me now? 421 00:17:32,010 --> 00:17:33,762 ...and Tommy Lee Jones... 422 00:17:33,762 --> 00:17:35,639 Behold my finest work. 423 00:17:35,639 --> 00:17:37,891 ...we were gonna be able to figure out what the essence 424 00:17:38,016 --> 00:17:40,852 of each scene was and give it language and words. 425 00:17:41,186 --> 00:17:43,396 - The Fugitive. - Also helping, 426 00:17:43,396 --> 00:17:45,357 the fact that the bones of the story 427 00:17:45,482 --> 00:17:46,900 were already there in black and white 428 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:48,777 on the original TV show. 429 00:17:48,777 --> 00:17:50,821 Now, six months a fugitive, 430 00:17:50,946 --> 00:17:53,532 this is Richard Kimble with a new identity. 431 00:17:53,657 --> 00:17:55,867 There were parts of the story which were 432 00:17:55,867 --> 00:17:59,955 part of "The Fugitive" lore, which is the things that were, 433 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,957 you know, back in the television part. 434 00:18:01,957 --> 00:18:04,209 He's falsely accused of killing his wife. 435 00:18:04,209 --> 00:18:06,545 I found my wife beaten to death. 436 00:18:06,545 --> 00:18:08,880 - Check. - There is a one-armed man. 437 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:11,049 - A man with one arm. - Check. 438 00:18:11,049 --> 00:18:13,426 There is a character named Gerard. That didn't change. 439 00:18:13,426 --> 00:18:14,886 Well, he told you about me. 440 00:18:14,886 --> 00:18:16,930 Check, but what about this? 441 00:18:16,930 --> 00:18:19,057 We did have the train wreck and the bus crash 442 00:18:19,057 --> 00:18:20,725 because that was part 443 00:18:20,725 --> 00:18:22,102 of the lore from the television series. 444 00:18:22,102 --> 00:18:23,687 Taking almost everything 445 00:18:23,687 --> 00:18:25,564 from the original TV show, 446 00:18:25,564 --> 00:18:28,608 except these spinning transitions. 447 00:18:28,608 --> 00:18:30,735 We wanted to have that type 448 00:18:30,735 --> 00:18:33,613 of DNA from the television series, 449 00:18:33,613 --> 00:18:36,116 but create a totally different story. 450 00:18:36,283 --> 00:18:38,076 But Jeb was determined 451 00:18:38,076 --> 00:18:40,453 to give his Dr. Kimble character more punch. 452 00:18:41,705 --> 00:18:44,082 - Not literally. - No police. 453 00:18:44,082 --> 00:18:47,127 So I was pushing Warner Bros. back and saying 454 00:18:47,252 --> 00:18:50,422 that Dr. Kimble has to be the proactive character. 455 00:18:50,547 --> 00:18:52,591 He has to be solving who killed his wife, 456 00:18:52,591 --> 00:18:54,926 okay, if it's not him. 457 00:18:55,051 --> 00:18:56,094 That was a question 458 00:18:56,219 --> 00:18:58,138 Jeb had to answer for himself 459 00:18:58,138 --> 00:19:01,892 as he struggled with the plot or rather, plots. 460 00:19:02,225 --> 00:19:04,811 They had nine different versions. 461 00:19:04,936 --> 00:19:06,479 It was the one-armed man. 462 00:19:06,479 --> 00:19:08,774 It wasn't the one-armed man. It was the doctor. 463 00:19:08,774 --> 00:19:12,194 It wasn't the doctor. At one point, it was Kimble himself. 464 00:19:12,194 --> 00:19:14,613 "The Fugitive" was about to start shooting, 465 00:19:14,613 --> 00:19:18,241 but it still lacked the one thing no film can do without. 466 00:19:18,241 --> 00:19:20,869 We had those two acts, but we didn't have the third act. 467 00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:23,580 It literally was a slug for an ending. 468 00:19:23,580 --> 00:19:24,998 And it's hard to imagine today 469 00:19:24,998 --> 00:19:26,917 that a major studio would allow that 470 00:19:26,917 --> 00:19:31,796 to kind of sit there undeveloped. 471 00:19:31,922 --> 00:19:33,590 This film about a fugitive 472 00:19:33,590 --> 00:19:35,217 was now a production 473 00:19:35,342 --> 00:19:37,177 chasing an ending that appeared to be on the run. 474 00:19:37,427 --> 00:19:39,012 We got a gofer. 475 00:19:39,137 --> 00:19:40,931 And if you don't have a third act, 476 00:19:41,056 --> 00:19:43,600 you're hoping that the first two acts are good enough 477 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:45,560 so that you can figure it out. 478 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,854 They would be shooting a shot in the dark. 479 00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:49,981 There was an ending to this, 480 00:19:50,106 --> 00:19:52,234 but the threads were being developed as we were shooting. 481 00:19:53,610 --> 00:19:54,736 And there was next to no time 482 00:19:54,736 --> 00:19:55,821 to make it happen. 483 00:19:55,946 --> 00:19:57,531 Open the door! 484 00:20:01,326 --> 00:20:05,122 When shooting on "The Fugitive" got underway in early 1993, 485 00:20:05,122 --> 00:20:07,582 producers had barely six months 486 00:20:07,707 --> 00:20:10,210 {\an8}to finish the film in time for a summer release. 487 00:20:10,335 --> 00:20:12,587 But the story still didn't have an ending. 488 00:20:12,587 --> 00:20:15,882 To make matters worse, the end had already arrived 489 00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:17,801 for the man hired to shoot it. 490 00:20:17,801 --> 00:20:20,470 {\an8}First cinematographer had to be fired. 491 00:20:20,595 --> 00:20:21,680 He just wasn't cutting it. 492 00:20:22,722 --> 00:20:25,600 Frank was unjustly let go. 493 00:20:26,142 --> 00:20:28,228 He shouldn't have gotten fired. 494 00:20:28,228 --> 00:20:29,896 We were shooting the murder 495 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:31,565 and Harrison didn't quite understand 496 00:20:31,565 --> 00:20:35,068 {\an8}that those dailies were just a separate style. 497 00:20:35,193 --> 00:20:36,862 {\an8}Today, he would get it like that. 498 00:20:37,154 --> 00:20:40,073 And so they brought in Michael Chapman. 499 00:20:40,198 --> 00:20:42,576 A man with his own particular vision, 500 00:20:42,576 --> 00:20:45,662 which he was keen to share with his executive producer. 501 00:20:45,829 --> 00:20:48,915 Michael was a very crotchety person to begin with. 502 00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:50,917 He would keep coming up to Arnold every day 503 00:20:50,917 --> 00:20:53,086 and saying, "I hate being here." 504 00:20:53,336 --> 00:20:55,714 And Arnold would say, "No, Michael, it's okay. 505 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,048 It's gonna be okay." 506 00:20:57,549 --> 00:20:59,676 I didn't think he liked Andy's style. 507 00:20:59,801 --> 00:21:01,303 {\an8}Everybody knows Andy shoots a lot of film. 508 00:21:01,469 --> 00:21:03,722 So there was a lot of frustration. 509 00:21:03,847 --> 00:21:05,223 And I think, you know, it just happens. 510 00:21:05,223 --> 00:21:08,268 Sometimes things don't go as planned. 511 00:21:08,268 --> 00:21:10,103 If that sounds like a train wreck 512 00:21:10,103 --> 00:21:11,313 waiting to happen. 513 00:21:12,355 --> 00:21:15,734 You're right. That's exactly what producers planned 514 00:21:15,734 --> 00:21:17,819 for a hero action set piece. 515 00:21:17,819 --> 00:21:19,279 Well, it had to be in the beginning 516 00:21:19,279 --> 00:21:20,739 because of the beard and the trial. 517 00:21:20,906 --> 00:21:22,282 The train wreck threatened 518 00:21:22,282 --> 00:21:24,868 to become just that before they even started. 519 00:21:24,868 --> 00:21:26,745 {\an8}I got a call from Andy saying, 520 00:21:26,870 --> 00:21:28,955 {\an8}"We can't find any of the locations in southern Illinois." 521 00:21:28,955 --> 00:21:31,124 And I said, "You need to go to North Carolina. 522 00:21:31,249 --> 00:21:33,210 You can wreck trains and jump off dams 523 00:21:33,210 --> 00:21:34,628 and everything in North Carolina." 524 00:21:34,628 --> 00:21:36,588 And so that's where they went. 525 00:21:36,713 --> 00:21:39,132 {\an8}North Carolina gave "The Fugitive" a location, 526 00:21:39,132 --> 00:21:41,343 {\an8}but it fell to this man to work out 527 00:21:41,343 --> 00:21:44,346 {\an8}how to make a real train go off the rails 528 00:21:44,471 --> 00:21:46,890 without taking the production with it. 529 00:21:46,890 --> 00:21:50,936 First car was going to smash into the bus. 530 00:21:51,061 --> 00:21:53,730 And Andy thought, how could that possibly happen? 531 00:21:53,855 --> 00:21:54,898 But the only question 532 00:21:54,898 --> 00:21:56,399 William had to consider was-- 533 00:21:56,399 --> 00:21:58,110 How are you gonna make that work? 534 00:21:58,110 --> 00:22:00,237 The answer, two numbers. 535 00:22:00,237 --> 00:22:02,656 13 cameras, one take. 536 00:22:02,781 --> 00:22:05,158 - That's it. - They had one shot at it. 537 00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:08,995 We knew that we weren't gonna have a motorized train, 538 00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:11,998 so we had to figure out a hidden cable system 539 00:22:12,123 --> 00:22:14,334 that we could pull the train and make it go 540 00:22:14,334 --> 00:22:16,753 and plow through all the dirt. 541 00:22:16,878 --> 00:22:19,965 It sure was bigger than anyone expected... 542 00:22:19,965 --> 00:22:21,842 The train was going so fast. 543 00:22:21,842 --> 00:22:23,677 ...by becoming both the train wreck 544 00:22:23,677 --> 00:22:25,178 and a wrecking ball. 545 00:22:25,303 --> 00:22:26,930 So it went flying all the way forward 546 00:22:27,055 --> 00:22:28,974 and hit the mound 547 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:32,936 where our Vista Vision camera was. 548 00:22:33,061 --> 00:22:34,980 The shot was in the can. 549 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:39,359 Now it was just a matter of finding the can. 550 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,779 We spent most of the night trying to dig out the camera 551 00:22:42,779 --> 00:22:46,074 so we could unload it and get the film into the lab. 552 00:22:46,241 --> 00:22:48,702 As the film that still had no ending 553 00:22:48,827 --> 00:22:51,121 rumbled on, the actors filled in the blanks 554 00:22:51,121 --> 00:22:52,747 as they went along. 555 00:22:52,873 --> 00:22:54,875 I know for a fact that the ad-lib line 556 00:22:54,875 --> 00:22:58,378 that really Tommy used was the Peter Pan line 557 00:22:58,378 --> 00:23:00,672 when Harrison jumped off the dam. 558 00:23:00,672 --> 00:23:02,174 The guy did a Peter Pan 559 00:23:02,174 --> 00:23:04,676 right here off of this dam right here. 560 00:23:04,801 --> 00:23:06,178 Because I looked in the script after that 561 00:23:06,303 --> 00:23:08,013 and I didn't see it. 562 00:23:08,138 --> 00:23:10,015 We were making that stuff up every day. 563 00:23:10,015 --> 00:23:11,308 Poole, you gotta get some new boots. 564 00:23:11,308 --> 00:23:13,143 I told you not to wear the heels. 565 00:23:13,143 --> 00:23:15,729 And it was sprinkled throughout the final cut. 566 00:23:15,854 --> 00:23:17,439 Well, think me up a cup of coffee and a chocolate donut 567 00:23:17,564 --> 00:23:19,357 with some of those little sprinkles on top. 568 00:23:19,357 --> 00:23:22,736 The best line that's come up is, "I don't care." 569 00:23:22,903 --> 00:23:24,279 I don't care. 570 00:23:24,488 --> 00:23:26,198 I think Tommy thought he made it up. 571 00:23:26,323 --> 00:23:28,784 I think Jeb Stuart thought he made it up. 572 00:23:28,909 --> 00:23:30,994 And finally I said, "Well here's one. 573 00:23:30,994 --> 00:23:33,788 This might not work, but let's just try, 'I don't care.'" 574 00:23:33,914 --> 00:23:35,457 I don't care. 575 00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:39,252 And Andy said, "Cut. We got it. That's perfect." 576 00:23:39,252 --> 00:23:42,297 They found an old, old draft from Walter Hills, 577 00:23:43,215 --> 00:23:44,841 that had the line in it. 578 00:23:44,841 --> 00:23:47,010 Well, who cares who dreamed it up? 579 00:23:47,135 --> 00:23:48,887 The line was in the movie. 580 00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:51,431 But all this ad-libbing was keeping "The Fugitive" 581 00:23:51,431 --> 00:23:53,099 in a state of flux. 582 00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:55,852 Even the trailer for the movie was more organized 583 00:23:55,852 --> 00:23:58,355 than the movie it was promoting. In fact-- 584 00:23:58,355 --> 00:24:00,357 {\an8}Before we were finished making the movie, 585 00:24:00,357 --> 00:24:02,400 {\an8}they were shooting a trailer for it. 586 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,486 Unlike the feature film, the script 587 00:24:04,486 --> 00:24:07,239 for the trailer's main scene was totally locked down. 588 00:24:07,364 --> 00:24:10,283 The "Listen up" speech, which is kind of the famous speech. 589 00:24:10,408 --> 00:24:12,369 Listen up, ladies and gentlemen. 590 00:24:12,369 --> 00:24:14,996 Even though it wasn't actually in the movie. 591 00:24:15,122 --> 00:24:16,915 Well, somebody at Warner Bros. 592 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:18,875 in the publicity department found an old draft with it. 593 00:24:18,875 --> 00:24:20,836 I remember Tommy was like, "Oh Christ." 594 00:24:20,836 --> 00:24:23,088 He didn't wanna do it. He didn't like it. 595 00:24:23,088 --> 00:24:24,548 You know, when he did it, he was commenting on it. 596 00:24:24,548 --> 00:24:26,550 I could tell he was pissed off. 597 00:24:26,550 --> 00:24:31,221 "Your fugitive is Dr. Richard Kimble." 598 00:24:31,221 --> 00:24:35,141 Your fugitive's name is Dr. Richard Kimble. 599 00:24:35,267 --> 00:24:38,478 And in a classic chicken and egg moment, this happened. 600 00:24:38,478 --> 00:24:41,064 One take, he just, he just nailed it. 601 00:24:41,189 --> 00:24:43,233 And then they put it in the movie. 602 00:24:43,233 --> 00:24:45,152 And it was great, by the way. 603 00:24:45,277 --> 00:24:46,820 Go get him. 604 00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:48,071 Even the man who loved 605 00:24:48,071 --> 00:24:49,531 to be in control wasn't getting off 606 00:24:49,531 --> 00:24:51,825 his marketing obligations to the studio. 607 00:24:51,950 --> 00:24:53,910 He went off in the woods with somebody 608 00:24:53,910 --> 00:24:55,954 to shoot him running through the woods for the trailers, 609 00:24:55,954 --> 00:24:57,873 all part of that same trailer stuff. 610 00:24:57,998 --> 00:25:00,834 The cart was most definitely before the horse now, 611 00:25:00,959 --> 00:25:02,502 and it was about to crash. 612 00:25:03,545 --> 00:25:05,005 And he twisted his knee 613 00:25:05,005 --> 00:25:07,174 and he was in pain. It was serious. 614 00:25:07,174 --> 00:25:09,050 While the movie trailer for the movie with no end 615 00:25:09,176 --> 00:25:13,096 was completed, having maimed its leading actor... 616 00:25:13,096 --> 00:25:15,140 He actually had a limp through the rest of the shoot. 617 00:25:15,265 --> 00:25:18,310 ...Tommy Lee Jones almost suffered a worse fate. 618 00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:20,937 When this chopper scene saw his foot crushed, 619 00:25:20,937 --> 00:25:22,272 nothing was going to plan. 620 00:25:22,272 --> 00:25:23,523 Tommy, he would say, 621 00:25:23,648 --> 00:25:25,025 {\an8}"Well, this is such a shit-show, 622 00:25:25,025 --> 00:25:26,443 {\an8}we're never gonna work again." 623 00:25:26,568 --> 00:25:28,236 And how is a movie with no end... 624 00:25:28,236 --> 00:25:31,531 I hadn't tied the end of the pieces together. 625 00:25:31,531 --> 00:25:34,367 ...possibly going to end well for the cast. 626 00:25:34,367 --> 00:25:36,286 Tommy was like, ain't nobody gonna win 627 00:25:36,286 --> 00:25:38,205 an Academy Award on this one. 628 00:25:38,330 --> 00:25:40,290 Not for the first time in his career, 629 00:25:40,415 --> 00:25:42,375 Harrison Ford felt powerless 630 00:25:42,375 --> 00:25:46,171 to save what looked certain to be a high profile flop. 631 00:25:46,171 --> 00:25:47,881 And I looked at Harrison 632 00:25:48,006 --> 00:25:49,382 and then he could tell what I was thinking. 633 00:25:49,382 --> 00:25:51,176 And the cost might be far greater 634 00:25:51,301 --> 00:25:53,345 than Warner's Box office losses. 635 00:25:53,345 --> 00:25:55,222 Well, you know, I had a pretty good career. 636 00:25:55,347 --> 00:25:57,182 This is a career killer. 637 00:26:00,519 --> 00:26:02,187 The production limping along, 638 00:26:02,312 --> 00:26:03,855 it, 639 00:26:03,855 --> 00:26:05,398 and its leading man limping, 640 00:26:05,398 --> 00:26:08,235 feeling his end was certain. 641 00:26:08,235 --> 00:26:11,029 "The Fugitive" moved to Harrison Ford's hometown 642 00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:12,489 for the rest of the shoot. 643 00:26:12,489 --> 00:26:14,866 Background just came in from Chicago. 644 00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,202 And I've heard that Harrison takes credit for it, 645 00:26:17,327 --> 00:26:18,912 which he should because he's from Chicago. 646 00:26:18,912 --> 00:26:20,497 {\an8}And I remember when I first flew to see him 647 00:26:20,497 --> 00:26:22,123 {\an8}in Jackson Hole, Wyoming, I got off the plane 648 00:26:22,249 --> 00:26:23,875 {\an8}and he says, "We're going to Chicago." 649 00:26:23,875 --> 00:26:26,086 Now on home turf in the windy city, 650 00:26:26,086 --> 00:26:28,004 Harrison tried to take control 651 00:26:28,004 --> 00:26:29,840 of an out of control production, 652 00:26:29,965 --> 00:26:32,425 Son of a bitch, our boy came home. 653 00:26:32,551 --> 00:26:34,344 And he did so by letting go 654 00:26:34,469 --> 00:26:38,431 of the script in the film's most improvised scene yet. 655 00:26:38,557 --> 00:26:41,017 The interrogation scene was terrific. 656 00:26:41,017 --> 00:26:43,395 Andy had given Harrison a perfect setting 657 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,981 to make the crucial Kimble interrogation scene 658 00:26:45,981 --> 00:26:47,274 feel authentic. 659 00:26:47,274 --> 00:26:48,859 He had a real cop 660 00:26:48,984 --> 00:26:51,236 who had been in three or four of my movies. 661 00:26:51,361 --> 00:26:54,322 He had a guy who had been put in jail for shooting a cop 662 00:26:54,322 --> 00:26:57,075 and they were gonna interrogate this rich doctor. 663 00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,369 Did it happen upstairs or downstairs? 664 00:26:59,369 --> 00:27:01,037 The people were real. 665 00:27:01,163 --> 00:27:03,123 And so was the look of genuine bewilderment 666 00:27:03,123 --> 00:27:04,958 on Harrison's face. 667 00:27:05,083 --> 00:27:06,877 I'm told that Harrison didn't wanna know the line 668 00:27:06,877 --> 00:27:08,545 so he could just respond to it, 669 00:27:08,545 --> 00:27:10,589 which may have been very smart on his part. 670 00:27:10,714 --> 00:27:11,923 Is she insured? 671 00:27:13,508 --> 00:27:14,551 Yes, she is. 672 00:27:14,551 --> 00:27:16,094 We had shot Harrison 673 00:27:16,261 --> 00:27:17,971 and he had a 12-hour commitment 674 00:27:18,096 --> 00:27:19,973 or 10-hour commitment, 675 00:27:20,098 --> 00:27:22,100 he had to go back to the hotel. 676 00:27:22,100 --> 00:27:26,229 Filming continued in Harrison's absence, until-- 677 00:27:26,229 --> 00:27:28,231 Harrison was in his car ready to go home. 678 00:27:28,231 --> 00:27:30,025 And he heard that we were still shooting. 679 00:27:30,025 --> 00:27:31,610 And he said, "What are they doing? They can't shoot. 680 00:27:31,610 --> 00:27:33,278 I gotta go back and play off screen to these guys." 681 00:27:33,278 --> 00:27:35,030 Coming back to support his co-cast, 682 00:27:35,030 --> 00:27:37,199 Harrison instead went deeper. 683 00:27:37,199 --> 00:27:39,993 And I think that's when the shot happened 684 00:27:40,118 --> 00:27:42,162 where he really broke down 685 00:27:42,287 --> 00:27:45,457 and the steady cam moves in on him. 686 00:27:45,582 --> 00:27:47,042 How tall is he? 687 00:27:47,167 --> 00:27:50,003 He took everything from me. Oh, Jesus. 688 00:27:50,003 --> 00:27:52,088 And he's, you know, teary-eyed. 689 00:27:52,088 --> 00:27:53,632 So it was fate again 690 00:27:53,632 --> 00:27:55,258 that allowed that to happen like that. 691 00:27:55,258 --> 00:27:56,635 While Harrison Ford 692 00:27:56,635 --> 00:27:58,553 was trying to save the movie 693 00:27:58,553 --> 00:28:00,347 with the sheer force of his performance, 694 00:28:00,472 --> 00:28:03,016 the studio was trying to save it by issuing edicts. 695 00:28:03,016 --> 00:28:04,684 Warner Bros. sent an executive out 696 00:28:04,684 --> 00:28:08,271 {\an8}to fire me if I did not put a love interest in. 697 00:28:08,271 --> 00:28:11,191 {\an8}I had made a pretty strong stand 698 00:28:11,316 --> 00:28:14,111 that they should read the script. 699 00:28:14,236 --> 00:28:17,906 The man was convicted of murdering his wife 700 00:28:17,906 --> 00:28:20,450 and he's returned to Chicago 701 00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:22,369 to prove that he didn't kill his wife. 702 00:28:22,369 --> 00:28:24,704 And that's probably not a good place 703 00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:26,456 to stick a love interest 704 00:28:26,581 --> 00:28:28,375 that you're just gonna hop in bed over, okay? 705 00:28:28,375 --> 00:28:30,293 And they kept saying, yeah, 706 00:28:30,293 --> 00:28:31,711 but we've got Julianne Moore. 707 00:28:31,711 --> 00:28:34,297 Thanks, thank you very much. 708 00:28:34,297 --> 00:28:36,174 But Julianne Moore, 709 00:28:36,174 --> 00:28:38,552 the potential love interest, was a very expensive 710 00:28:38,677 --> 00:28:41,555 square peg in the story's round hole. 711 00:28:41,555 --> 00:28:43,348 As they were rewriting the script, 712 00:28:43,348 --> 00:28:45,350 {\an8}they found that it was just more of a burden. 713 00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:49,980 {\an8}And also it became an issue that Harrison had lost his wife. 714 00:28:49,980 --> 00:28:52,399 So the fact that he would be having a love interest 715 00:28:52,524 --> 00:28:55,152 seemed a little insincere. 716 00:28:55,277 --> 00:28:57,112 Or to put it another way-- 717 00:28:57,237 --> 00:28:59,197 {\an8}Somewhat horrible, if this guy starts, 718 00:28:59,197 --> 00:29:01,491 {\an8}you know, fucking the doctor. 719 00:29:01,491 --> 00:29:03,618 His wife has just been murdered, it just-- 720 00:29:04,786 --> 00:29:06,538 {\an8}How can you develop a relationship 721 00:29:06,538 --> 00:29:09,499 {\an8}in the midst of, you know, what we're doing here? 722 00:29:09,624 --> 00:29:11,543 Jeb was holding firm. 723 00:29:11,668 --> 00:29:13,753 They could have Julianne Moore in love 724 00:29:13,879 --> 00:29:16,756 or they could have him on the project, not both. 725 00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:18,592 Next thing you know, there's a knock on my door 726 00:29:18,717 --> 00:29:21,636 and an executive for Warner Bros. says, 727 00:29:21,761 --> 00:29:24,055 "Unless you put the love interest in, you're fired." 728 00:29:24,055 --> 00:29:25,348 And I said, "Go ahead and fire me. 729 00:29:25,348 --> 00:29:27,100 But you should walk down the hall 730 00:29:27,100 --> 00:29:29,019 and tell Harrison that you've just fired me." 731 00:29:29,019 --> 00:29:30,520 Which they did. 732 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:32,105 And about 15 minutes later, they walked back 733 00:29:32,105 --> 00:29:33,440 and said, "You're not fired. 734 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,609 Okay, we think it's a terrible idea 735 00:29:35,609 --> 00:29:36,776 to put a love interest in." 736 00:29:36,902 --> 00:29:38,445 Who changed those orders? 737 00:29:38,445 --> 00:29:40,113 Good news for Harrison Ford 738 00:29:40,113 --> 00:29:42,616 and his picture, bad news for Julianne. 739 00:29:42,616 --> 00:29:44,618 Andy sat her down 740 00:29:44,743 --> 00:29:46,786 and just said, "You gotta look at it the way it is." 741 00:29:46,786 --> 00:29:48,747 And after the film was done, everybody said, 742 00:29:48,747 --> 00:29:51,041 you know, that would've been on the cutting room floor. 743 00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:52,709 Those scenes, you know, for sure. 744 00:29:52,709 --> 00:29:54,753 She was great. She was sweet. 745 00:29:54,753 --> 00:29:56,296 I'm sure she was really disappointed. 746 00:29:56,296 --> 00:29:57,756 Probably still hates me for this day. 747 00:29:57,756 --> 00:29:59,257 I'd like to go home now. 748 00:29:59,758 --> 00:30:01,676 Julianne's role wasn't the only thing 749 00:30:01,802 --> 00:30:04,304 that needed to be drastically cut back, 750 00:30:04,304 --> 00:30:07,182 following yet another studio decree. 751 00:30:07,182 --> 00:30:10,393 I remember that famous phone call. The studio said, 752 00:30:10,393 --> 00:30:12,437 "We are paying a lot of money 753 00:30:12,562 --> 00:30:15,607 for Harrison Ford's wonderful face, his very handsome face." 754 00:30:15,607 --> 00:30:18,735 And Warner's CEO felt Harrison's beard 755 00:30:18,735 --> 00:30:21,154 was stealing his high-priced show. 756 00:30:21,154 --> 00:30:24,366 Bob Dailey said, "I don't pay Harrison Ford this money 757 00:30:24,366 --> 00:30:26,660 not to see his clean face." 758 00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:29,329 He was, you know, an old movie star, you know? 759 00:30:29,329 --> 00:30:30,664 Harrison's beard, 760 00:30:30,664 --> 00:30:31,832 part of his character's disguise, 761 00:30:31,832 --> 00:30:33,750 suddenly had to go mid-shoot. 762 00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:35,710 So what did producers do? 763 00:30:35,836 --> 00:30:37,629 But the timing worked out fine. 764 00:30:37,754 --> 00:30:39,756 They just made it part of the story. 765 00:30:39,756 --> 00:30:41,383 It was a good way for him 766 00:30:41,508 --> 00:30:43,343 not to look like the Ha-bearded doctor. 767 00:30:43,885 --> 00:30:45,846 That scene, very vivid in my mind 768 00:30:45,971 --> 00:30:48,598 when he's in the bathroom cutting his, you know. 769 00:30:48,598 --> 00:30:50,308 That's a fantastic moment. 770 00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:53,770 Harrison's physical appearance 771 00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:55,647 could be changed quickly. 772 00:30:55,772 --> 00:30:59,109 But his physical well-being remained a work in progress. 773 00:30:59,109 --> 00:31:01,278 Only there was little progress. 774 00:31:01,278 --> 00:31:04,114 Harrison blew out his leg, his knee, 775 00:31:04,114 --> 00:31:05,782 doing a stairway stunt. 776 00:31:05,907 --> 00:31:07,159 Richard. 777 00:31:08,660 --> 00:31:10,537 Already carrying an injury, 778 00:31:10,537 --> 00:31:14,332 Harrison had re-injured his left knee. If not bleeding 779 00:31:14,332 --> 00:31:17,711 for his art, then definitely aching for it. 780 00:31:17,836 --> 00:31:21,465 {\an8}It swelled up like a cantaloupe. 781 00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:24,676 The film that famously starred a one-armed man 782 00:31:24,676 --> 00:31:27,554 was now at risk of adding a one-legged lead. 783 00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:30,557 We didn't have anything else booked to shoot that day. 784 00:31:30,557 --> 00:31:32,642 We'd shut down that whole area. 785 00:31:32,642 --> 00:31:35,478 So Harrison insisted on finishing shooting 786 00:31:35,478 --> 00:31:39,524 with this horrendously painful knee. 787 00:31:39,649 --> 00:31:41,651 That's a pro. 788 00:31:41,776 --> 00:31:44,196 I mean, if you look at it, you could see him limping. 789 00:31:44,196 --> 00:31:47,532 There was enough bad luck going around. 790 00:31:47,532 --> 00:31:49,201 But Harrison's injury 791 00:31:49,326 --> 00:31:50,744 would be put into perspective 792 00:31:50,869 --> 00:31:53,747 when news broke of a co-star's predicament. 793 00:31:53,747 --> 00:31:57,209 We had some tragedies on that job. 794 00:31:57,209 --> 00:32:00,545 The guy that was playing Dr. Nichols, 795 00:32:00,545 --> 00:32:04,758 the actor that was playing had a brain tumor. 796 00:32:04,758 --> 00:32:07,677 Actor, Richard Jordan, had suddenly fallen ill 797 00:32:07,677 --> 00:32:09,763 after shooting for just one week. 798 00:32:09,888 --> 00:32:13,308 They discovered he had a brain tumor and he had to leave. 799 00:32:13,308 --> 00:32:15,227 And it was like, whoa. 800 00:32:15,227 --> 00:32:17,229 A wonderful man and a wonderful actor, 801 00:32:17,354 --> 00:32:20,774 unfortunately required an operation. 802 00:32:20,899 --> 00:32:22,484 So he was sort of forced 803 00:32:22,484 --> 00:32:25,737 to relinquish his role in the picture. 804 00:32:26,571 --> 00:32:29,491 They had already shot all of Mr. Jordan's, 805 00:32:29,491 --> 00:32:32,744 God rest his soul, all of his scenes. 806 00:32:32,869 --> 00:32:34,454 It was time for Harrison 807 00:32:34,454 --> 00:32:36,790 to make a clutch play to keep the film rolling. 808 00:32:36,790 --> 00:32:38,583 And it required a Hail Mary 809 00:32:38,708 --> 00:32:41,711 to a relatively unknown actor in Europe. 810 00:32:41,837 --> 00:32:45,257 I said to Harrison, "Where the fuck am I?" 811 00:32:48,635 --> 00:32:50,720 "The Fugitive" had just lost 812 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,182 e leading antagonist to poor health mid-shoot. 813 00:32:54,182 --> 00:32:55,684 Dr. Nichols, hi. 814 00:32:55,684 --> 00:32:58,270 They had already shot all of Mr. Jordan's 815 00:32:58,395 --> 00:33:00,897 God rest his soul, all of his scenes. 816 00:33:00,897 --> 00:33:02,941 Recasting and reshooting 817 00:33:03,066 --> 00:33:04,860 had to happen almost at the same time. 818 00:33:04,985 --> 00:33:07,571 You're getting pretty desperate, aren't you, Mr. Gerard? 819 00:33:07,571 --> 00:33:09,239 The producers weren't grabbing 820 00:33:09,239 --> 00:33:11,533 the nearest actor. Quite the opposite. 821 00:33:11,533 --> 00:33:13,535 {\an8}Because I have such a nice face. 822 00:33:13,535 --> 00:33:15,245 {\an8}That's why they choose me. 823 00:33:15,245 --> 00:33:17,330 That face belonged to Dutch actor, 824 00:33:17,456 --> 00:33:18,832 Jeroen Krabbé. 825 00:33:18,957 --> 00:33:21,543 Later on, I did hear from Harrison Ford, 826 00:33:21,668 --> 00:33:24,754 that was his idea. He'd seen my movies. 827 00:33:24,754 --> 00:33:26,756 Jeroen was at home in Holland 828 00:33:26,756 --> 00:33:29,217 when he received his biggest call up yet. 829 00:33:29,217 --> 00:33:30,760 I was in my bed 830 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,930 and I got a call from my agent in Los Angeles 831 00:33:34,055 --> 00:33:35,515 at three o'clock at night. 832 00:33:36,892 --> 00:33:38,643 "Could you come to Chicago tomorrow?" 833 00:33:38,768 --> 00:33:40,437 Excuse me? 834 00:33:40,437 --> 00:33:42,272 So it was only the flight. 835 00:33:42,272 --> 00:33:45,525 It was like, you know, eight hours to learn my lines. 836 00:33:45,650 --> 00:33:48,570 Eight hours to read the script to see what the character was 837 00:33:48,695 --> 00:33:50,614 and so on and so forth. 838 00:33:50,614 --> 00:33:52,866 Suddenly, Jeroen found himself on a fast track 839 00:33:52,866 --> 00:33:54,743 few actors ever get to see. 840 00:33:54,868 --> 00:33:58,330 I went to wardrobe, I got my costume. 841 00:33:58,455 --> 00:34:01,041 Then they brought me, they brought me to the set 842 00:34:01,041 --> 00:34:04,669 and I met the director and I met Harrison Ford. 843 00:34:04,795 --> 00:34:06,421 And said, "Okay, ready." 844 00:34:06,421 --> 00:34:09,424 There we go, and that was my first scene. 845 00:34:09,591 --> 00:34:11,718 - Dollar, mister? Spare change? - No, I don't want it. 846 00:34:11,843 --> 00:34:13,303 No, thank you very much, I don't want it. 847 00:34:13,303 --> 00:34:14,888 No! i-- 848 00:34:15,013 --> 00:34:16,389 Jeroen had only just met his co-star, 849 00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:18,308 but he already had a friend. 850 00:34:18,433 --> 00:34:21,728 I said to Harrison, "Where the am I? 851 00:34:21,853 --> 00:34:23,647 What is this? 852 00:34:23,647 --> 00:34:24,898 And he said, "Don't worry." 853 00:34:24,898 --> 00:34:26,608 And he put his arm around me 854 00:34:26,608 --> 00:34:27,901 and he said, "I'm going to help you, buddy." 855 00:34:27,901 --> 00:34:29,653 And he did, he did. 856 00:34:29,778 --> 00:34:32,989 And I'm very grateful forever that he did. 857 00:34:32,989 --> 00:34:35,325 Following a few hairy reshoots. 858 00:34:35,325 --> 00:34:39,830 In the beginning with Harrison's fake beard, 859 00:34:39,830 --> 00:34:43,834 {\an8}was just that I gave him back the car keys. 860 00:34:43,834 --> 00:34:45,502 Here, thanks for the loaner. 861 00:34:45,627 --> 00:34:47,337 The beard had to make an encore, 862 00:34:47,462 --> 00:34:48,797 but this time it was fake. 863 00:34:48,922 --> 00:34:50,757 Some eagle eye probably saying, 864 00:34:50,757 --> 00:34:54,511 "Wait a minute now, that don't look the same." 865 00:34:54,511 --> 00:34:56,555 Harrison had to wear a phony beard for that. 866 00:34:56,555 --> 00:34:59,099 I don't like the way it looks, but we did it. 867 00:34:59,099 --> 00:35:00,767 But phony beards 868 00:35:00,892 --> 00:35:02,686 were not Andrew's most pressing concern. 869 00:35:02,811 --> 00:35:05,522 Fugitive, they were writing it constantly on the set. 870 00:35:05,647 --> 00:35:08,316 With shooting set to wrap in just six weeks, 871 00:35:08,316 --> 00:35:11,611 "The Fugitive" still had no end and no end in sight. 872 00:35:11,736 --> 00:35:13,530 So how are you, what's going on? 873 00:35:13,655 --> 00:35:16,408 We had a production meeting the next morning 874 00:35:16,408 --> 00:35:19,453 at eight o'clock and we positively had to have 875 00:35:19,453 --> 00:35:21,705 the last 15 pages of the script. 876 00:35:21,830 --> 00:35:23,039 And by two o'clock in the morning, 877 00:35:23,039 --> 00:35:25,375 I suddenly had this horrible feeling 878 00:35:25,375 --> 00:35:27,544 that there wasn't an ending. 879 00:35:29,087 --> 00:35:32,466 I finally turned off the computer, turned off the light 880 00:35:32,466 --> 00:35:34,593 and put my head down the pillow. 881 00:35:34,593 --> 00:35:37,429 And I thought, well this is the end of my career. 882 00:35:37,554 --> 00:35:38,930 And maybe it would've been, 883 00:35:38,930 --> 00:35:41,766 but for a genuine light bulb moment. 884 00:35:41,892 --> 00:35:44,728 At exactly 3:05, I woke up and turned on the light 885 00:35:44,728 --> 00:35:47,689 and it just was all there. 886 00:35:47,689 --> 00:35:49,608 You changed the samples, didn't you, huh? 887 00:35:49,733 --> 00:35:51,902 And I sat down and for the next three hours, 888 00:35:51,902 --> 00:35:54,029 typed up the last 15 pages. 889 00:35:54,029 --> 00:35:56,406 But were those pages any good? 890 00:35:56,406 --> 00:35:58,909 Jeb did not have to wait long for a verdict. 891 00:35:58,909 --> 00:36:00,994 Everybody sat down and had coffee 892 00:36:00,994 --> 00:36:02,913 and were reading at the table and they looked up 893 00:36:03,038 --> 00:36:04,790 and they said, "Well this is great. 894 00:36:04,915 --> 00:36:06,750 What took so long to have this?" 895 00:36:06,750 --> 00:36:09,794 And no one really knew at that point how close we came 896 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,880 to not having an ending at all. 897 00:36:12,589 --> 00:36:14,799 You know, I'm glad, I need to rest. 898 00:36:17,636 --> 00:36:19,137 Warner Bros., Harrison, 899 00:36:19,262 --> 00:36:21,598 and director Andy Davis all thought the final act 900 00:36:21,723 --> 00:36:24,559 was a knockout. But not Tommy Lee. 901 00:36:24,684 --> 00:36:27,521 He was worried about another knockout. 902 00:36:27,646 --> 00:36:31,983 Nichols was gonna knock out Tommy Lee with the beam, 903 00:36:31,983 --> 00:36:33,693 and then Tommy was gonna wake up 904 00:36:33,693 --> 00:36:37,072 and somehow save Harrison's character. 905 00:36:37,197 --> 00:36:40,742 And Tommy was like, "This is it's not gonna work." 906 00:36:40,742 --> 00:36:42,452 But this time 907 00:36:42,452 --> 00:36:43,995 it was Joey's turn to come to the rescue. 908 00:36:43,995 --> 00:36:45,705 {\an8}Hit me in the head with the beam. 909 00:36:45,705 --> 00:36:47,707 {\an8}And the bad guy gets my gun. 910 00:36:47,707 --> 00:36:49,459 Tommy Lee Jones saves the day. 911 00:36:49,584 --> 00:36:51,086 It was a great save. 912 00:36:51,211 --> 00:36:52,587 The script was revised, 913 00:36:52,712 --> 00:36:53,839 but when Joey read it. 914 00:36:53,964 --> 00:36:55,173 They're gonna kill me. 915 00:36:55,298 --> 00:36:57,008 He realized 916 00:36:57,008 --> 00:36:59,636 he'd signed his own character's death warrant. 917 00:37:01,221 --> 00:37:03,014 So I go running into Andy's trailer 918 00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:05,725 and I go, "Andy, Andy. You can't kill me. 919 00:37:05,725 --> 00:37:07,102 What are you doing? 920 00:37:07,227 --> 00:37:08,812 You're killing me. What? 921 00:37:08,812 --> 00:37:10,438 And I see Harrison Ford looking down at me 922 00:37:10,438 --> 00:37:15,068 and he's shaking his head. And I go, "What?" 923 00:37:15,068 --> 00:37:17,154 And he goes, "You should be dead." 924 00:37:17,279 --> 00:37:20,699 I said, "Because what if there's a sequel?" 925 00:37:20,699 --> 00:37:23,702 And he looked at me for a moment, and then he laughed. 926 00:37:23,869 --> 00:37:27,914 Then he smiled and he said, "There's not gonna be a sequel." 927 00:37:27,914 --> 00:37:29,833 I said, "Why not?" 928 00:37:29,833 --> 00:37:32,502 He said, "Because I'm not doing this piece of again." 929 00:37:32,502 --> 00:37:35,797 All right, it's all over folks, let's just stay calm. 930 00:37:36,131 --> 00:37:38,216 As shooting drew to a close, 931 00:37:38,216 --> 00:37:41,720 production raced to shoot Jeb's newly scripted ending. 932 00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:43,972 Even though it took months, writing an ending 933 00:37:44,097 --> 00:37:47,058 was still easier than working out how to film it 934 00:37:47,184 --> 00:37:49,227 with only days left to shoot. 935 00:37:49,352 --> 00:37:50,770 The last scene in the Hilton, 936 00:37:50,896 --> 00:37:52,898 the big fight and everything. 937 00:37:53,023 --> 00:37:56,526 That took like a week. 938 00:37:58,278 --> 00:37:59,946 And it was actually Harrison 939 00:38:00,572 --> 00:38:02,032 that set it all. 940 00:38:03,742 --> 00:38:07,204 To Harrison, it's a normal thing to do, a fight. Not for me. 941 00:38:07,204 --> 00:38:10,749 And that's the way that Harrison guided me through. 942 00:38:10,749 --> 00:38:12,709 Fighting his antagonists 943 00:38:12,709 --> 00:38:15,253 and still fighting the pain of his injuries, 944 00:38:15,253 --> 00:38:18,673 Harrison Ford had survived a grueling shoot. 945 00:38:18,799 --> 00:38:20,717 But when principal photography wrapped, 946 00:38:20,842 --> 00:38:24,679 no one knew if the same could be said for his career. 947 00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,265 Pretty good career up until here. 948 00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:29,267 Then this is a career killer. 949 00:38:29,392 --> 00:38:32,521 Good or bad, the film finally had an ending. 950 00:38:32,646 --> 00:38:34,898 Or so everyone thought. 951 00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:37,067 {\an8}Dennis Virkler, 952 00:38:37,067 --> 00:38:38,693 {\an8}who was the main editor on the show, 953 00:38:38,902 --> 00:38:40,529 {\an8}realized that there was a lot of shots 954 00:38:40,654 --> 00:38:42,489 that they did not get. 955 00:38:42,489 --> 00:38:44,116 It was now mid-May 956 00:38:44,116 --> 00:38:46,701 and with less than three months to complete the picture, 957 00:38:46,827 --> 00:38:49,037 Harrison's work was by no means done. 958 00:38:49,162 --> 00:38:51,665 If Harrison says he wants to come to dailies, you don't say no. 959 00:38:51,665 --> 00:38:55,335 {\an8}It was horrendously difficult for us in post-production. 960 00:38:59,339 --> 00:39:01,758 As the movie that didn't even have an end 961 00:39:01,883 --> 00:39:04,511 untithe end headed into post... 962 00:39:06,805 --> 00:39:09,307 ...it was suddenly the beginning that was the problem. 963 00:39:10,642 --> 00:39:12,602 {\an8}Our fugitive was not a fugitive 964 00:39:12,602 --> 00:39:14,187 {\an8}for the first 25 minutes of the movie. 965 00:39:14,187 --> 00:39:16,064 We're reporting to you live 966 00:39:16,064 --> 00:39:18,150 from the near North side home of Dr. Richard Kimble. 967 00:39:18,275 --> 00:39:22,195 {\an8}We all knew that it was good, but it took too long. 968 00:39:22,446 --> 00:39:24,531 A rough cut revealed 969 00:39:24,531 --> 00:39:27,117 they really needed to get the show on the road quickly. 970 00:39:27,117 --> 00:39:29,953 The biggest thing was trying to get him on the run. 971 00:39:29,953 --> 00:39:32,330 We had to find another approach. 972 00:39:32,747 --> 00:39:35,250 Just as Jeb had plucked an ending out of thin air 973 00:39:35,375 --> 00:39:38,003 at the last minute, it was going to take an editor 974 00:39:38,128 --> 00:39:40,046 to do the same at the beginning. 975 00:39:40,046 --> 00:39:43,049 Dennis was a really, really smart, good editor. 976 00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:44,885 Dennis was one 977 00:39:44,885 --> 00:39:47,262 of six film editors whose job was made harder 978 00:39:47,262 --> 00:39:49,806 when "The Fugitive" became the first studio feature 979 00:39:49,931 --> 00:39:52,017 to employ digital editing. 980 00:39:52,017 --> 00:39:54,728 And a lot of people were terribly suspicious of it. 981 00:39:54,853 --> 00:39:56,146 But not Dennis, 982 00:39:56,271 --> 00:39:58,064 who mastered the Avid software well enough 983 00:39:58,064 --> 00:40:01,902 to pull a rabbit out of a hat in just 48 hours. 984 00:40:02,027 --> 00:40:03,820 {\an8}He took it one Saturday 985 00:40:03,945 --> 00:40:06,698 {\an8}and he came back with this incredibly intercut opening, 986 00:40:07,324 --> 00:40:08,700 and it just worked. 987 00:40:10,327 --> 00:40:12,662 With the film in the can and cut, 988 00:40:12,788 --> 00:40:15,582 the real test was about to begin. 989 00:40:17,959 --> 00:40:20,754 I remember when Andy invited me 990 00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:23,215 to an early screening of it. 991 00:40:23,215 --> 00:40:25,091 The cast believed 992 00:40:25,217 --> 00:40:27,010 it was most likely career oblivion. 993 00:40:27,135 --> 00:40:29,846 {\an8}And I was so nervous, I couldn't go. 994 00:40:29,846 --> 00:40:33,183 {\an8}My wife Nancy went and then she came home 995 00:40:33,183 --> 00:40:34,267 and she said it's really good. 996 00:40:34,267 --> 00:40:37,771 And I said, come on. 997 00:40:37,896 --> 00:40:39,314 {\an8}Harrison got on the phone. 998 00:40:39,439 --> 00:40:42,859 {\an8}And he said to me, "Yeah, we're gonna work again." 999 00:40:44,236 --> 00:40:45,946 He said it was really, really good. 1000 00:40:46,071 --> 00:40:47,989 Test audiences agreed. 1001 00:40:47,989 --> 00:40:50,700 It got the highest numbers of any Warner Bros. show 1002 00:40:50,700 --> 00:40:52,285 that had ever been tested. 1003 00:40:52,285 --> 00:40:55,747 It was 98% very good and excellent. 1004 00:40:55,747 --> 00:40:57,082 First time Harrison saw it, 1005 00:40:57,207 --> 00:40:58,792 he leaned over and kissed me. 1006 00:40:58,792 --> 00:41:01,795 I got a call from Harrison. 1007 00:41:01,795 --> 00:41:03,672 "And I have to say one thing, 1008 00:41:03,672 --> 00:41:06,925 {\an8}you made the movie. Thank you for that." 1009 00:41:08,468 --> 00:41:11,012 {\an8}And then I fainted, I was on the floor. 1010 00:41:11,638 --> 00:41:13,640 The buzz around "The Fugitive" 1011 00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:16,226 was building fast, and when the movie premiered 1012 00:41:16,226 --> 00:41:20,730 in July of 1993, it seemed everyone wanted to see it. 1013 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:22,858 Everyone, except for one person. 1014 00:41:22,983 --> 00:41:25,152 {\an8}I haven't seen the film. 1015 00:41:25,902 --> 00:41:28,405 I can't stand to watch myself on film. 1016 00:41:28,405 --> 00:41:29,948 What? 1017 00:41:29,948 --> 00:41:32,742 But I hear it's pretty terrific. 1018 00:41:32,742 --> 00:41:36,163 It got seven Academy Award nominations. 1019 00:41:36,163 --> 00:41:38,331 The film that for the longest time 1020 00:41:38,457 --> 00:41:41,376 had no ending, was about to have the perfect ending 1021 00:41:41,376 --> 00:41:43,086 for one man. 1022 00:41:43,086 --> 00:41:44,754 Tommy was like, ain't nobody gonna win 1023 00:41:44,754 --> 00:41:46,882 an Academy Award on this one. 1024 00:41:46,882 --> 00:41:50,427 The Oscar goes to Tommy Lee Jones in "The Fugitive." 1025 00:41:52,262 --> 00:41:53,847 {\an8}Tommy deserved that. 1026 00:41:53,847 --> 00:41:56,266 He was really the glue on that movie. 1027 00:41:56,266 --> 00:41:58,059 Warner Bros. had a critical 1028 00:41:58,185 --> 00:41:59,978 and commercial smash, 1029 00:41:59,978 --> 00:42:02,272 the best performing picture in years. 1030 00:42:02,272 --> 00:42:04,816 It was just about as great 1031 00:42:04,816 --> 00:42:06,860 as it ever gets in the movie business. 1032 00:42:06,985 --> 00:42:08,153 And it seemed Joey Pants 1033 00:42:08,278 --> 00:42:09,863 had been right all along, 1034 00:42:09,863 --> 00:42:11,323 just like he told Harrison. 1035 00:42:11,448 --> 00:42:13,200 "There's not gonna be a sequel." 1036 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,410 And I looked at him and I said, "Oh yeah? 1037 00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:18,371 you! We'll just chase some other $20 million asshole 1038 00:42:18,371 --> 00:42:20,040 through the woods. 1039 00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,710 Joey Pants got his sequel in 1998. 1040 00:42:23,710 --> 00:42:26,004 "US Marshals" was released. 1041 00:42:26,129 --> 00:42:28,298 US Marshall Renfro. Listen, we're gonna need both. 1042 00:42:28,298 --> 00:42:31,343 And the $20 million actor they were chasing 1043 00:42:31,343 --> 00:42:32,886 was Wesley Snipes. 1044 00:42:32,886 --> 00:42:34,888 I'll take the gun. 1045 00:42:35,013 --> 00:42:37,808 "The Fugitive" would ultimately run away 1046 00:42:37,808 --> 00:42:42,187 with nearly $370 million in Global Box office 1047 00:42:42,187 --> 00:42:45,315 from a budget of just 44 million. 1048 00:42:45,315 --> 00:42:47,275 We had everything going for us. 1049 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,903 We had the biggest movie star who was a hero in the movie, 1050 00:42:49,903 --> 00:42:51,822 who hadn't been able to play 1051 00:42:51,822 --> 00:42:54,032 a kind of realistic character like this for a while. 1052 00:42:54,157 --> 00:42:55,325 Oh, you know, there's movies out there 1053 00:42:55,325 --> 00:42:56,993 people still talk about, you know, 1054 00:42:57,118 --> 00:42:58,995 and I'm glad that "Fugitive" is one of them. 1055 00:42:58,995 --> 00:43:02,749 Harrison Ford had become a box office titan. 1056 00:43:02,874 --> 00:43:06,503 In fact, there was really only one role left to ascend to. 1057 00:43:06,503 --> 00:43:07,879 All right, Mr. President. 1058 00:43:07,879 --> 00:43:09,881 I had this crazy idea. 1059 00:43:10,006 --> 00:43:12,342 {\an8}The president as an action hero. 1060 00:43:12,342 --> 00:43:15,095 So who better to play the Commander in Chief? 1061 00:43:15,095 --> 00:43:17,264 I'm on the phone with Kevin Costner. 1062 00:43:17,264 --> 00:43:19,850 In a film called "Air Force One..." 1063 00:43:19,850 --> 00:43:23,103 Here comes Harrison, taxis right up by Air Force One. 1064 00:43:23,103 --> 00:43:26,106 ...that could easily turn into Air Force Dumb. 1065 00:43:26,106 --> 00:43:29,234 I said, Harrison, this is gonna break the bank. 1066 00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:31,027 Sir, time to go. 1067 00:43:31,027 --> 00:43:32,904 I am certain it's not gonna work.